tonight we talked about with whether you get your information from television news or newspapers or other assorted places on the internet, and i will remind you because it's related, we upload most of what we do here on the show for free on youtube. go to msnbc.com/ari and see the play list. that includes, for example the entire 40 minutes with justice stephen breyer. you can use that link. 40 minutes with the retired justice. we covered a lot more than we had time to cover on msnbc. as a reminder, "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. ♪♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> florida is a pro-life state.

we're a conservative state. we've always been moving in the pro-life direction. we should not be -- we should not be allowing abortions and we certainly shouldn't be providing abortion tourism for other states in the south. >> it's just not right to tell a woman that there's a certain amount of time that you have to make -- to have an abortion. it's just -- it's not right. >> florida's barbaric six week abortion ban goes into effect with dire consequences for women. but setting the stage for a political earthquake in november. also tonight, marjorie taylor greene is now off on her own island with a doomed to fail effort to topple speaker mike johnson who will survive. embarrassingly with the help of democrats. ♪♪ but we begin tonight with more campus unrest erupting over not just the war in gaza, but

over the military industrial complex as we know it. more on that in a minute. but first, last night a stunning scene unfolded in new york city where the new york police department arrested nearly 300 pro palestinian protesters at columbia university as well as city college of new york. at columbia, police stormed hamilton hall, an occupied building on campus after university officials sent the nypd, one of the most militarized police departments in america, after its own students. this morning, new york mayor eric adams repeated his claim that outside agitators are co-opting college protests and basically hood wipging the students who the mayor repeatedly referred to as children. >> there is a movement to radicalize young people. and i'm not going to wait until it's done and all of a sudden

acknowledge the existence of it. this is a global problem that young people are being influenced by those who are professionals at radicalizing our children. and i'm not going to allow that to happen as the mayor of the city of new york. >> the identities of those arrested have not yet been released. but late today the nypd told nbc news that so far 27% of those arrested at columbia are over the age of 30 and 10% have been arrested multiple times. of those arrested who were over 30 years of age, some might be faculty or staff or graduate students. it is too soon to say whether or not they are affiliated with the university. again, we cannot paint a fuller picture until more identities are released. but per the deputy commissioner, one person has an arrest history dating back to the 2005 g8 summit when the person allegedly assaulted a police officer. the outside agitator narrative has, however, taken off, despite mayor adams or the -- despite

neither mayor adams nor the nypd providing any evidence to back up this claim other than the apparent use of industrial chains to barricade the doors of hamilton hall. chains that happened to look exactly like the same chains marketed and sold to students by the columbia university department of public safety at a discount to lock their bikes. which is all to say columbia effectively turned on its own students as negotiations between protesters and the school broke down, with the school's administration claiming they were left with no choice but to call in the police whom they asked to maintain a presence on campus until may 17th, two days after commencement. the encampment on columbia's has been removed. the green lawn is visible again, along with the markings where the tents were pitched. of course, the protests have now

metastasized nationwide on multiple campuses throughout the country. universities now routinely are sending the police, many in riot gear. you can see the eagerness in law enforcement to shut down these protests, which have been mostly peaceful. but not all. overnight in los angeles, there were violent clashes between pro palestinian protesters and -- it was responding due to quote multiple acts of violence. the university cancelled all classes today. while in tucson, police at the university of arizona cleared out protesters, deploying, quote, chemical irritant munitions against -- according to updates from the school. we know and see what is happening. the question is why. why are they sicking the cops on their own students and professors, essentially turning the awesome power of the state

against the very leaders who will some day inherit it? well, first off, universities have endowment chests and huge financial backers and some of those donors are very upset that universities are turning out woke people affected by dei and critical race theory. they don't like it. and they see these protests as a chance to right these institutions, idealogically. and then there are the multibillion dollar profits you can only see in the business of war. and how our elite educational institutions get involved. a teen vogue article on the history of military influence at higher education shows how the financial ties between the u.s. military and american universities stretch back nearly a century. during world war ii and the cold war, these two institutional forces relied on each other to create weapons of mass destruction and space warfare. it continues today with michael claire, professor emeritus of

peace and world security studies at hampshire college, saying he has noticed that the pentagon is once again approaching various universities for help in creating weaponry, like artificial intelligence and hypersonic weapons. in fact, students are directly involved in the process of creating military weapons. joining me now is dean of the columbia school of journalism and m-snbc contributor, reverend mark thompson, social justice activist and host of make it plain pod cast. and indigo olivier. thank you all for being here. what is the status of the campus? there will be a police presence all the way through graduation. where do things stand as of tonight? >> as you pointed out the campus is pretty much empty right now. so the campus was on lockdown prior to last night. and so, it's early quiet at this

particular moment. >> are classes over? classes are basically over this week? >> classes are over, but finals are not. and so then columbia has 17 different schools. they're on slightly different schedules. slightly staggered schedules so different people are at different point. but virtually -- very few schools still have classes going on. that said, the campus is almost empty more or less. >> what about this claim by the mayor -- trump today rather ironically declaring the lack of law and order in new york after leaving his own criminal trial. that's ironic. the claim by mayor adams the campus was beset by outside agitators and terrorists duping students to go into hamilton hall. any evidence of that? >> couple things, one, i don't think anyone on this campus would use the language of people

being, quote unquote, radicalized. we're here to engage people intellectually and learn and so on. so i think that is, you know, not an apt explanation. and all of my experience here, you know, over the course of the past two weeks where this has unfolded i did not use the word radicalized used by anyone, on any side of this discussion. i will say this, toward the point about kind of, quote unquote, outside people, here is why it was significant, you know, devin mcginness got on to the campus. he got on the the campus when the campus was locked down. and you know, there was the proud boy event where they were rallying outside the gates of campus. and so there was a logic that held that if he could get on to the campus as visible and known as he is, then who else has gotten on to the campus. and those tensions were exacerbated by some of the things that happened by the

groups outside. one of which was, you know a protester, counterprotester who had an israeli flag, had it snatched out of his hands and set on fire. then other people attempted to scale the gates, people who were outside, attempted to scale the gates and get inside. and so there was a real concern. i'm not taking any positions about the rightness or wrongness in this context. there was a real concern that who are those people? and people are capable of behaving like that on the outside, how might they behave on the inside? so those are the questions. and last thing i'll say, i don't want to take up too much time, the last thing i'll say is that there was a real concern that if someone got hurt, the criticism would have been the opposite, why did the university wait so long to do something. and so, i think those are calculations that people had to make at the time. >> mark, we know that obviously fox news took full advantage of this, you know, decrying this as new york out of control and violence, et cetera. we know people like christopher

rue foe talked about outside agitators the guy who created the fake moral panic critical race theory was urging the right to get on the campuses and cause trouble to make it bad for biden to turn into political things. we know that was happening. but you were talking to the students inside hamilton hall. how did things devolve to the point where police were called? >> thanks for having me, joy. i led a worship service, interfaith service on sunday. yesterday i was contacted early by governor hochul's chief of staff, stacy lynch. she reached out to see if i could assist in getting the students on the line. she was working with getting the university on the line to restart negotiations to really avert calls they were getting to send in the national guard. they also wanted devoid the kind of police raid that happened last night. and so it was literally like an episode of 24. we spent all day yesterday trying to bring something together as late as 8:30 last

night there was a plan for myself, the governor's chief of staff, ms. lynch, and a city government official to enter the campus to speak with the students in hamilton hall, not exactly in the hall but just outside of it. they were going to be given safe passage to talk to us. a university official then agreed to meet with us after. while i was en route listening over the phone, there were three breach commands given by the police followed by at least three stand down commands by civilian official. just before we could get to the campus after reaching this agreement, the police, for whatever reason, just could not hold. i'm still not clear. i'm looking to find out who gave the order. but as we were about to enter the campus, it was breached. and everything was off. this could have been avoided. the other goal -- i commend the work jilani has done to keep things together and ms. lynch and the governor's office. they expressed to me a desire to try to have some of the students demands met as well.

so this could have gone down much differently. >> very quickly, before i get to indigo, what were the demands specifically? >> oh so the demands were the same as they always have been. disclosure and divestment when it came to the university's relationship with israel. i know you want to talk about the military piece. we can do that as well. >> yeah. >> also what has not been well reported, we just discovered the university's satellite campus, tel aviv university, does not allow admission to palestinian students or at least no admission to palestinian students who don't have israeli identification. >> right. >> and that's a serious concern because that's somewhat segregationist. >> right. >> let me go to you, indigo. talk a little bit about these relationships of these schools to the military because last night we had on a young man from washington university in st. louis who specifically called out boeing and investments in military companies as one of their demands they wanted that

to end. >> well, let me just say that these relationships are long standing. they are decades long and they extend to dozens and dozens of campuses across the country. columbia for instance, one of the board of trustees -- the member of the board of trustees is a board member on lockheed martin. so these defense manufacturers have scholarships, they have graduate funding, they have internships, career pipelines set up at major universities across the country. they also have people serving on the board of trustees. they have lobbying departments to request defense funding for their stem programs. you really can't look at a university campus today, for the most part, and not find a collection. for instance, the new school where they are protesting, both at the new school and at parsons, the fashion university,

i'm a graduate there. they have connections to the air force and darpa and some of the most egregious agencies that have been doing this kind of weapons manufacturing. so it's really kind astonishing and columbia in particular, m.i.t., the university of california, the universities where you see some of the largest protest movements have been some of the worst offenders over the recent decade. very important to highlight that. >> and very quickly before we let you go, mark, is that something that comes up? because we know that people talk about defunding israel. but do they mean militarily? or in some social way? >> well, in every way. and that's what disclosure is about. they want these universities to disclose all of their relationships. but most certainly, lockheed martin, i don't know about columbia, lockheed martin has a relationship with 60 other universities in this country.

and they provide the weapons to the israel, the idf, just as the idf trains many of our police forces, including the nypd. >> so we can have this conversation more. i wish we had more time, but i appreciate all of you for being here. thank you all very much. appreciate it. up next on "the reidout." a big admission from donald trump about january 6th. stay with us. stay with us ♪ i wanna hold you forever ♪ hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ you don't...you don't have to worry... ♪ ♪ be by your side... i'll be there... ♪ ♪ with my arms wrapped around... ♪ i love your dress. oh thanks!

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♪♪ donald trump held his first campaign rally today since his hush money election interference trial started and predictably raged about his four indictments and the judge in his criminal trial. but in an attempt to refute cassidy hutchinson's testimony about his actions on january 6th, he confirmed one detail that he told the secret service to take him to the capitol that day and they refused. >> i saturday in the back. and you know what i did say, i said i would like to go down there because i see a lot of people walking down. they said, sir, it's better if you don't. i said, well, i would like to. better if you don't. all right, whatever you think is fine. that was the whole tone of the conversation. >> seems important for his federal election interference trial if only that could get under way any time soon. in the meantime, while he's taking his circus on the road, republicans in congress are finding ways to sew chaos of their own.

today marjorie taylor greene announced she is ready to try and boot republican house speaker mike johnson for pushing through a ukraine aid package. her crusade is doomed. she can't seem to find republican support. her fellow maga types aren't moved by her antics. and michael wattly asked her to back off. so far only two republicans are backing her effort, thomas massey and paul gosar. oh, i should mention that house democrats are actually calling the shots this time. democratic leadership said their caucus would vote to table or rather kill greene's motion. a procedural move in the interest of actually getting stuff done. joining me now is michael steele, former rnc chair and co-host of "the weekend" on msnbc. michael, why is marjorie taylor greene? >> yeah. why is marjorie taylor greene.

look, this is -- this was created not by, you know, mike johnson or the current caucus. this was kevin mccarthy's creation. this was matt gaetz creation. we forget how they sort of pushed her to the front of the line because she kind of brought that energy. she was ready and willing to throw the hammer, right? and kevin loved it until she turned around and whacked him upside the head with the hammer. so, they created this. they gave her the power. you know, remember, the last speaker, you know, before mccarthy, you know, they tried to contain all of this. they tried -- no, we're not going to give you the posh committee assignments. right? paul ryan and others were like, no, we're not doing crazy. we're actually trying to govern here. we are the minority that's trying to move the needle in our direction. and this doesn't help us.

and mccarthy undid all of that. here we are. so there's no sympathy here. there's no, oh, we're concerned about what happens to the gop at this point. they made this bed. >> so, you know, the irony of saving mike johnson is not only is he an insurrectionist, the lead insurrectionist in the house, if for if donald trump picks one of his two apparent favorites to be his new hang mike pence are jd vance, supple kant marco rubio and jd vance. they're both from florida. the two ways they would avoid the 12th amendment problem of losing all the delicates from the state of florida, 30 delegates both from the same state, the house would have to do something to change it or the supreme court. we know the supreme court would do it. they would just find some originalist, somehow the framers really wanted marco rubio and trump to be on the same ticket. is it ironically they would be

saving mike johnson, the guy who will probably throw the election and give them the 30 electoral votes? >> well, yeah. they are -- they're finding themselves in a bit of a quandary here because the democrats have already -- unlike the last time, staked out very clearly, as you noted coming in, where they are on this. the republicans didn't have to figure out what their next move is going to be. now, look, headlines are headlines. neither of those gentlemen will be on the ticket in a couple months. so, okay. so this is fanciful dancing around. it ain't happening. but if people want to enjoy the game, play in it. donald trump is likely to pick a women to put on the ticket for a whole host of reasons that start and end with abortion. >> not the one that kills her dog, though. probably not the one who killed her dog. let me play you -- >> you ever wanted to kill your chances at a job, there you go. >> yeah. even mitt romney is like, i'm not that bad. i just put my dog on the roof. i didn't kill him.

let me play north dakota governor doug bergem. >> you care about your shareholders, care about your family, care about your grand kids, you should be voting for someone that will bring prosperity to america and peace to the world. that's what president trump is going to do. >> if you're a billionaire, you'll like trump. larry kudlow, you and i both know. larry kudlow. >> yeah. >> when you look under the hood of this tax policy goals, you see class warfare, you see diversity, equity, inclus, you see racial warfare against white folks and especially successful white folks. >> i don't know what happened to larry, which is the worst campaign theme, vote for trump because he'll protect white, rich people and it's racist to have taxes. or if you're a billionaire, vote for trump. >> aren't they the same? i guess -- it's the same

message, you know. look -- >> taxes are racist. taxes are racist. >> yeah. yeah. they all go together. joy. >> but here is the rub, here is the rub, burgum is someone who is in the narrative, he can do the one thing that donald trump needs immediately, that's supply cash. >> pay him. >> he can write a check for $100 million and put it in the campaign and keep moving. he is at the top of the list from what i heard from a number of folks around town. a woman -- it was kristi noem but then the dog thing, everybody is like, well, can't do that. we know how americans feel about their dogs. >> buy her a new dog and then she could not kill it. afford to get her a new dog and let it live. michael steele, my friend, let the dog live. thank you, michael. >> that's the dumbest thing. then put it in your book? >> who is her publisher?

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♪♪ at the stroke of midnight, millions of women in florida joined millions more women across the country who might

just die because they don't have access to proper reproductive healthcare. florida's six week ban which is essentially a total ban went into effect. it's a stunning reality for the roughly 4 million women in the state. until today, florida was a safe haven for people from other southern red states, but no more. >> and i get very choked up talking about it and thinking about it because i'm in clinic this morning upstairs and was just running down because we are having patients who are six weeks four days pregnant, six weeks three days pregnant and we're telling them, we can't help them. >> i wish they understand there is more to having a baby than just birthing it. how are they going to be taken care of? will their lives not be traumatized if they didn't have a present mom or dad? >> the next closest available healthcare haven for floridians is new mexico or virginia. that means that if you are in dire need of stabilizing care, you would have to travel almost a full day to get treatment. knowing full well that you could

die. while florida was clamping down on women, two arizona state republicans voted with democrats to repeal their 1864 total ban on abortion. while it is nominally repealed, it won't take effect likely in june or july. >> joining me now is former florida congresswoman debbie mucarsel-powell. thank you very much for being here, senator. let's talk about this. in 2023, something like 7,700 out of 84 thousand abortions performed in florida were out of state because florida was the refuge in the southeast. it is no more. what are the implications of that? >> yeah. we woke up to such devastating news that -- >> i'm sorry, i called you senator already. didn't mean to manifest that. >> you can call me senator, joy.

look, it's a really, really difficult day for us here. you know, we talk about it. we've been preparing for this. but when i woke up as a woman living in the state of florida, as a mother of two daughters living here in the state of florida, understanding that now my daughters are faced with living in a state without any access to this healthcare that's so central to the dignity of women, that should be a private matter between herself, her doctor, her family, her faith, without government interference and i'm extremely concerned that we're going to start seeing a spike not only in higher maternal mortality rates but also in violence against women. this law has hardly any exceptions to incest and to rape. it puts the burden of having to prove that you've been raped on the woman, having to go to the courts to get that permission to have access to this critical care. i've talked to providers that are extremely concerned because many women living in the state of florida still do not

understand that this ban goes into effect today. but we are going to have an opportunity to be able to vote in november, to make sure that we protect reproductive rights for women with this ballot amendment. it's not going to mean anything if we re-elect rick scott, he goes back to the senate and pushes for a national abortion ban because that's exactly their strategy. this is their agenda. and they're not going to stop right here in florida. >> previous attempts to protect women's rights and voting rights, et cetera, were stymied by joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, two nominal democrats, sinema became an independent. you're in favor of pausing the filibuster and what would that mean and how would that change things? >> we need to have a true representative democracy and that requires 50 plus one vote. that's how democracy works. particularly in protecting fundamental civil rights, particularly protecting voting

rights, protecting democracy. i've said this before, as we see attacks against our democracy, see them attacking and eroding every democratic institution, they're strategically attacking women's rights. and it's central to democracy because women's rights and democracy go hand in hand. when we organize, when we mobilize, when we create a movement, we win. but we also strengthen democracy here in this country. and so, this is a strategy. it's a well-coordinated effort. and i truly believe that if i'm in the senate, we need to put a pause in the filibuster to pass the voting rights act. we're in this mess right now with all the issues we're facing in this country because that didn't happen when we had the majority and we have to codify roe v. wade. i've been very vocal about that. we know this is going to have much higher repercussions not just for the state of florida but for our healthcare system across the country. what is happening in florida could be happening in the country if we re-elect rick

scott here in the state and if the former president has his way and goes back into the white house. >> donald trump gave this interview to "time" he would not tell a reporter he would vote for this referendum states might monitor women's pregnancy. refuses to sign a national abortion ban. but he wouldn't give an answer whether he would support life at conception act ban abortion nationwide or what he would do about any of the other abortion-related measures that might come his way. are you concerned that if donald trump is president and rick scott is the senator, that we will have a national version of what florida has now? >> i don't want anyone to have any doubt that that will absolutely happen. when i was in congress, the most extreme republicans in the caucus were lines, signing into the life a conception bill. rick scott has given tens of thousands of dollars to people on that bill. his name was on a national abortion ban. even today rick scott said, that he would sign any anti-abortion

bill that would come to his desk. he said it again today. he has been digging in in this issue. and so i need everyone watching to go to my website, to support this race, debbieforflorida.com. our democracy, our rights and we're fighting in florida. florida is in play. we just need everyone to pay attention and to support. >> former congress woman, thank you very much. we'll be right back. oman, thank you very much. we'll be right back. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients.

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nine years ago today, i was standing at penn and north in baltimore, covering the police-involved death of an unarmed black man named freddie gray when the state's attorney for baltimore city made this announcement. >> the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation coupled with the medical examiner's determination that mr. gray's death was a homicide, which we received today, has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> and when we heard that, a lot of us knew maryland moos by would eventually pay for it, politically, of course. someone would run against her as soft on crime and not backing the blue.

fast forward to 2016, all three officers had been acquitted or the charges dropped after a final case ended in a mistrial. and donald trump was running for president. that summer trump went hard after democratic-run cities and baltimore was a favorite target. he singled out mosbey saying this for indicting those officers. >> i do have a reaction to the prosecutor in baltimore who indicted those police officers. i do. i think she ought to prosecute herself. okay. that's my reaction. i think it was disgraceful what she did. and the way she did it. >> and then he became president with control of the justice department. still, mosby continued her progressive prosecutorial behavior, challenging the system that disproportionately targeting poor and black people in baltimore for unequal punishment, including in 2019, seeking to vacate nearly 800 criminal cases involving 25

police officers who pleaded guilty or were convicted of corruption, including members of a baltimore gun trace task force that terrorized the city. and that put her squarely in the crosshairs of maryland's police unions and of trump's administration and his republican party. she got into a back and forth battle with maryland's then republican governor, larry hogan, who threatened to defund the baltimore city attorney's office entirely for not locking up enough people. she's coauthored an op-ed warning trump not to send federal troops to baltimore to supposedly fight crime or they would themselves be arrested. and she continued to be, as "the new york times" pointed out in 2016, a go-to grievance for the right subject to more or less constant assault on the conservative air waves, accused of criminal misconduct by donald trump. and featured on the cover of the police magazine "frontline" under the headline "the wolf that lurks" a steady barrage of

hate mail and death threats still pours into her home and office. and then during the pandemic, marilym mosby ran headlong into an aggressive prosecutor who helped uncover that gun task force who trump elevated to the head of the fraud and public justice department the same month he took office. wise has a history of zeroing in elected officials, many of them black and prosecuting them, including a former baltimore mayor and donated to one of mosby's political opponents while working at the justice department. wise also happens to be the prosecutor held over by the current justice department under merrick garland assigned to investigate joe biden's son, hunter. he went after mosby not directly for challenging the criminal justice system in maryland or getting cross wise with trump and bill barr who denounced her and other aggressive prosecutors

when he was attorney general but rather for, i'm not making this up, taking her own money out of her retirement account to buy two properties in florida for her family. i interviewed attorney mosby on this program about a year ago and asked her about those allegations. >> this has been a long-term investigation that has gone through every aspect of my life. from my charitable donations to my tax returns. they have interviewed every political donator. they have gone to my hairdresser, my children's dance instructors. >> well, marlyn was convicted of perjury and one count of mortgage fraud for taking out that money about $90,000 and for using $5,000 she had given her now ex-husband, former city councilman to add to her down payment. and unlike michael cohen, for instance, who was sentenced to five years in prison for lying to a banker to get a home equity

line of credit to pay off a porn star so she wouldn't go public about her affair with donald trump before the 2016 election, thus aiding in election fraud in a presidential campaign, marlyn mosby is facing 40 years in prison. you didn't hear me wrong. i said 40 years in prison. the same sentence alex murdaugh got for stealing from his legal clients. mosby joins me next. mosby joins me next.

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as one of the few black state attorneys, marilyn mosby took a number of political wrists during her tenure. she established programs to provide nonviolent drug offenders with alternatives to incarceration and started one of the country's only youth prevention departments. it wasn't until after her push to prosecute the officers who killed freddie gray that she found herself on the other side of the courtroom, convicted of fraud for drawing funds from her own retirement account, something 739 other city employees, including three people who worked in the same agency as attorney mosby, did during the pandemic, yet she was the only one prosecuted and now faces up to 40 years in prison. marilyn mosby joins me now. i guess the most obvious

question is, how are you doing? this must have hit you like a mack truck. >> first and foremost i am blessed, so thank you for having me on. it is still an incredibly sobering moment. i've done absolutely nothing wrong. nothing illegal, nothing criminal. >> this was your money. was there any public money involved in this transaction? >> absolutely not. despite how i've been vilified, when the gag order was in place and i was unable to defend myself. this was not ppp loans, this was not covid relief funding, this was money i was putting away every two weeks in a retirement savings account and i was advised i could withdraw from this fund. there was, you know, the person that testified, a government witness, got on the stand and said i only had to do was suffer a $50 adversity and i had more than a $50 adversity because of covid, so i did not even take the stand. obviously i'm not going to be

convicted. i know that this was politically targeted and it was sobering. >> talk about this because you say you have been targeted and why do you think that happened? the thing that changed between you indicting those officers and this was the justice department changed and leo wise got a lot more power. talk about that. >> i think you've touched upon all of it. when you look at the policies implemented, not only did president trump say i needed to prosecute myself, but two months after larry krasner called them out in the washington post, they started this conversation. >> who is larry krasner? >> he is the philadelphia district attorney. >> i think a lot of people would be shocked that a guy who killed his son is facing 40 years. they are trying to sentence you to 40 years. the sentencing is in may. what do you want to see happen? i know there is a petition asking president biden to

pardon you, is that what you want? >> i think that is appropriate. i know i've done nothing wrong, nothing criminal and to be separated from my children for 40 years as a result of withdrawing $90,000 of my own money it makes no sense, it is illogical. so i want the people that i fought for. i fought so hard, first generation college student, to try to take my law license and then emergency petition, an unprecedented move. i want this justice system that i fought so hard to equalize and to balance the scales of justice where the business model is based off the backs of black and brown people. for the people i fought for to understand and recognize a need them to fight for me not because of his marilyn mosby, but because something like this goes beyond marilyn mosby. if they can do this to marilyn mosby who had the audacity to challenge the status quo, they can do this to anybody. they can do this to the prosecutors who have they courage and call to challenge the status quo in the way i did. >> you did have ron desantis

dismiss prosecutors. they have railed against you and others, saying what you were doing, disrupting the system in favor of the incarcerated, was destroying the system and you will need to pay for it. you think that is part of that? >> he made it clear in february, 2020, when he addressed the sheriffs of america, these rogue prosecutors, we will do anything by any means necessary, or any individual politician that goes between the rule of law. so that is exactly what they have done, right? they have targeted me and as i stated before, this is a four years long investigation where they have combed every aspect of my life. unannounced, going to people's homes, my neighbors, at 5:00, the fbi knocking on the door, intimidating folks. they issued subpoenas to all of the black church is five months before my reelection, not only

to get me out of office, but they've done this to demonize me and vilify me and break me psychologically, break me professionally, break me spiritually and financially. i've lost everything. i've lost everything. >> meanwhile one of the officers involved in freddie gray's death is going to oversee the police integrity unit. that does seem to be a message. you have children. how are they holding up under all of this? and you are a single mom. >> i am now a single mom. i filed for divorce of a 25 year relationship as a result of the chasms from this, but they are not 3 and 5 years old anymore. i can't shield them from the negativity. people have come up to them and said that is why your mom is going to jail. they have been traumatized, but the most sobering thing, i have to say that i am so grateful for all of it. they are still prospering despite the trauma imposed on them. most recently my daughter had a cotillion and unannounced she

said she wanted to go to law school and become a prosecutor. she didn't even tell me. i feel like i am doing something good. at the end of the day i am a positive example, where before i didn't want them to come into the courtroom for the first trial, but the second one i really wanted them to see what it looks like to face adversity and to have faith and to have strength in the face of adversity. >> would you advise prosecutors to go as hard as you did, vacating nearly 800 criminal cases, would you advise people to take those progressive steps and what would you say to the risks of doing that? >> justice is always worth the price paid for its pursuit. i know god does not forsake the righteous, so i know he will have the final say and i am confident that this administration will see past the political sort of attacks and why i have been convicted. >> marilyn mosby, thank you so much. i appreciate you being here. that is tonight's "the reidout". in