where there was a lot of pepper sprays going on. in the middle of the night, we were sieged by nypd, assaulted, brutally arrested. they have a right to peaceful| protest, as long as it's within the law and that it's peaceful. forcibly taking over - a building is not peaceful. dahlia scheindlin is a political analyst and fellow at the think tank century international — she is in tel aviv — and joel rubin, former deputy assistant secretary of state for house affairs, in washington. plenty to talk to our panel about tonight. first, the latest headlines. manhattan's district attorney says the disgraced hollywood film producer harvey weinstein will be retried in new york,

after having his 2020 rape conviction overturned on appeal last week. weinstein�*s conviction was seen as a historic milestone for the me too movement, which saw hundreds of men accused of sexual misconduct. florida's six—week abortion ban has come into force, closing the door for now on the last major abortion access point in the us south. the new legislation replaces an existing 15—week law. pro—choice campaigners say the ban will push an overstretched system to the brink. parliament in georgia has provisionally approved controversial new legislation, despite violent protests and clashes with police. the "foreign agents" law requires organisations to state whether they're funded from abroad. welcome to the programme. the student protests in america are not the anti—apartheid protests of the �*80s — this isn't 1968, either. yes, the university of columbia, has an honoured place in the history of american protest — but in previous protests,

the students were in it together, this is something different. these protests are pitting groups of students and faculties against each other — and some of it has turned vicious. overnight, these were the pictures from la, the university of california, where police officers were eventually forced to intervene to break up violent clashes between pro—palestinian demonstrators and the counter—protesters, who were attacking the encampment the administrators had earlier ruled illegal. most of the controversy at columbia has concerned not violence but speech — some radical slogans, hastily—planned protests, even contentious discussions within classrooms. somejewish students and donors say the protests have grown anti—semitic, with them staying away. there have been also some members of the jewish community attending the pro—palestinian protests. allegedly, it has dragged in agitators

and demonstrators from outside. law enforcement was seen entering an upper storey of the building that protesters had renamed hind hall, in memory of a six—year—old palestinian girl killed in an israeli air strike in gaza, in january. "we believe the group that broke into and occupied the building is led by individuals who are not affiliated with the university," said the college. many university officials have struggled to balance their students first amendment rights, and a genuine anger and concern for the palestinians with the duty of care they have for vast majority of students and faculty members who are not protesting. what started as an organic protest at colombia has spread to 20 states, and over 30 universities. —— organic protest at columbia. in two weeks, there have been almost 2,000 arrests. it has dragged in politicians, dividing the democrats — but re—uniting the republicans in their condemnation of both protestors and universities alike.

the department needs to yank the visas of foreign students l in these little gazas, _ and dhs needs to deport them. the justice department shouldl investigate the funding sources behind these little gazas - and the department for education needs to withhold funding - for colleges that won't protect the civil rights of- theirjewish students. | instead, joe biden is putting more pressure on israel these days then he is on hamas itself- or on the pro—hamas chapters on america's campuses. some universities have delayed calling in law enforcements. but now, the riot police are on the ivy league campuses and are breaking up the encampments. the new york mayor eric adams says he is done waiting. there is a movement to radicalise young people. and i'm not going to wait until it's done, and all of a sudden acknowledge the existence of it. this is a global problem, that young people are being influenced by those who are professionals

at radicalising our children. the white house at president biden was being continuously informed about the ongoing protest. 0ur america editor sarah smith says he is facing an ethical dilemma. it's difficult for president biden to work out where to come down on this. his party is deeply split — he's got representatives who are very, very supportive of the student protest movement, and some who are very, very critical of it. and he knows that he's at risk of losing the votes of hundreds of thousands of young activists, pro—palestinian protesters who think he hasn't been critical enough of israel and its conduct of the war in gaza. but at the same time, he knows that there are many, many moderate swing voters watching with some dismay what's happening right across america, and they would like to hear him being more critical of the widespread disruption that these protests are causing. so, it is a very fraught political question for a president who is just six months away from his attempt

to get reelected. joel rubin, we just joel rubin, wejust had the republican congressman from new york on who said this is not difficult — one protest stop people going about their business, when protests are rating buildings, when people are blockading buildings, that is when the university presidents and authorities should move in. do you think the one it —— white house has done enough? think the one it -- white house has done enough?— think the one it -- white house has done enough? christian, i think this week is a different _ done enough? christian, i think this week is a different dynamic - done enough? christian, i think this week is a different dynamic from i week is a different dynamic from what we saw previously. columbia for example and certainly ucla, which was the scene of violent clashes last night — i do believe the white house has done what it needs to do, which is to try to not make itself the story here. the white house does not want to send in the national guard, for example, which some extreme members on the republican side are calling for — and the white house is allowing the university administrators and local police to take the lead. but we are seeing too

much intimidation on these campuses, intimidation towards jewish much intimidation on these campuses, intimidation towardsjewish students intimidation towardsjewish students in particular intimidation towards jewish students in particular — we are seeing acts of taking over buildings, seizing buildings that were provoked by outside agitators, and i have no doubt that that's accurate, there's a lot of evidence to that effect, as well as violence at ucla from outside actors on the other side attacking students. so this has to get calm down, and that's where the local police and administrators do need to step in, because the overall campus environment in these places in particular is too dangerous, it's too unsettling, and it's disrupting the ability of students to actually be students, and that's really undermining frankly the protesters's message overall. i undermining frankly the protesters's message overall.— undermining frankly the protesters's message overall. i asked mike lawler whether he thought _ message overall. i asked mike lawler whether he thought whether - message overall. i asked mike lawler whether he thought whether it - message overall. i asked mike lawler whether he thought whether it was i whether he thought whether it was a national movement— it looks like that when you look at the map and where the protests are. do you think there is coordination and communication between student

bodies? �* , communication between student bodies? �*, . , , bodies? there's absolutely coordination _ bodies? there's absolutely coordination and _ bodies? there's absolutely i coordination and engagement bodies? there's absolutely _ coordination and engagement without a doubt. is it growing to a national movement? no, idon't a doubt. is it growing to a national movement? no, i don't think we are seeing every university in the country engaging in this way, it's not what we saw in the late 1960s, these are certainly active activists trying to make an argument and prove a point, as they should, as they have the free—speech right to do. but i do believe that there is absolutely a coordination amongst organisers, and we see similar tactics metastasizing — no, we're talking about a couple hundred people at different schools with very focused asks, asking for divestment from israel which gets into a lot of muddy water with the administration, that's why we saw columbia say no, we saw brown university say they would talk about it. it is coordinated but growing into a national movement like the 19605, into a national movement like the 1960s, that's not happening. how does this look _ 1960s, that's not happening. how does this look from _ 19605, that's not happening. how does this look from where you are in

tel aviv, and what does the israeli government make of this? because there is a significant rise in anti—semitism notjust on campuses. i think that from where i am in tel aviv right— i think that from where i am in tel aviv right now, it's a very unambiguou5 picture— in fact i would say it's_ unambiguou5 picture— in fact i would say it's a _ unambiguou5 picture— in fact i would say it's a very — unambiguou5 picture— in fact i would say it's a very flat and picture, the coverage in israel of these protests— the coverage in israel of these prote5t5 i5 the coverage in israel of these prote5t5 is intense and 5ingularly accusing — prote5t5 is intense and 5ingularly accu5ing the5e of being pro—hama5 protesters. — accu5ing the5e of being pro—hama5 prote5ter5, pro—terrori5m. there is no real_ prote5ter5, pro—terrori5m. there is no real attempt to portray the fact that in_ no real attempt to portray the fact that in addition to whatever extreme elements— that in addition to whatever extreme elements there are in addition to the element5 there are in addition to the scenes— elements there are in addition to the scenes of violence that we've had at _ the scenes of violence that we've had at some of these prote5t5, had at some of these protests, and in addition — had at some of these protests, and in addition to the incidence of anti—semiti5m, there are also students _ anti—semiti5m, there are also students who are seriously committed to a 5tudent5 who are seriously committed to a very— students who are seriously committed to a very serious cau5e, becau5e to a very serious cau5e, because this is— to a very serious cau5e, because this is a — to a very serious cau5e, because this is a life _ to a very serious cau5e, because this is a life or death 5ituation. it'5 this is a life or death 5ituation. it's easy— this is a life or death 5ituation. it's easy to _ this is a life or death 5ituation. it's easy to look at the students and say, — it's easy to look at the students and say, "that might not know all the details — and say, "that might not know all the details or in5 and say, "that might not know all the details or ins and outs," but they— the details or ins and outs," but they are — the details or ins and outs," but they are clearly following the fact that 34,000 pale5tinian5 have been kitted. _ that 34,000 pale5tinian5 have been killed, ma55ive death and destruction in gaza, and there's no

de5truction in gaza, and there's no quarter— de5truction in gaza, and there's no quarter for— destruction in gaza, and there's no quarter for that in israel, no attempt _ quarter for that in israel, no attempt to see this as an actual competition between both the genuine activism _ competition between both the genuine activism of— competition between both the genuine activi5m of the protesters, in addition _ activi5m of the protesters, in addition to some of the elements that cross — addition to some of the elements that cross line5, addition to some of the elements that cross lines, that genuinely have _ that cross lines, that genuinely have crossed red lines of some of these _ have crossed red lines of some of these prote5t5, have crossed red lines of some of these protests, and the fact that the5e protests, and the fact that it's a _ the5e protests, and the fact that it's a competition between the values — it'5 a competition between the values of— it's a competition between the values of free speech and all the students — values of free speech and all the students to feel safe and be safe. but i _ students to feel safe and be safe. but i think— students to feel safe and be safe. but i think part of the problem is what _ but i think part of the problem is what goes — but i think part of the problem is what goes back on in the states, it's not— what goes back on in the states, it's notjust _ what goes back on in the states, it's notjust the israeli it'5 notjust the israeli portrayal that's— it's notjust the israeli portrayal that's flattening the issue — the protesters and the counter protesters, those demonstrating on behaif— protesters, those demonstrating on behalf of— protesters, those demonstrating on behalf of gaza and the pro—israel protesters, none of them are doing this with _ protesters, none of them are doing this with any nuance. so you have on the one _ this with any nuance. so you have on the one hand — this with any nuance. so you have on the one hand protesters arguing both their cause _ the one hand protesters arguing both their cause and free speech, but that free — their cause and free speech, but that free speech there saying allows them to— that free speech there saying allows them to do anything that can very legitimately be considered crossing a tine _ legitimately be considered crossing a tine or— legitimately be considered crossing a line or threatening. and on the part of— a line or threatening. and on the part of the — a line or threatening. and on the part of the counter protesters and

pro-israei— part of the counter protesters and pro—israel protesters, they think that pretty much any pro—palestinian or anti-war— that pretty much any pro—palestinian or anti—war support for a cease—fire i5 or anti—war support for a cease—fire is also _ or anti—war support for a cease—fire is also anti—semitic. it's a very zero-sum _ is also anti—semitic. it's a very zero—sum position which is reflected in the _ zero—sum position which is reflected in the israeli coverage as well. in in the israeli coverage as well. israel, in the israeli coverage as well. in israel, there's plenty going on which could dramatically affect the picture in the united states as well. in israel, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, told the us secretary of state antony blinken he will not accept a deal with hamas if it includes an end to the war in gaza. he says there will be an attack on rafah with or without a ceasefire. the current proposal offers a 40—day truce in return for the release of up to 30 hostages. the israelis say they will increase the humanitarian aid and guarantee safe passage for displaced families who want to return to northern gaza. hamas say they will give their response tomorrow. at the erez crossing today, there were pictures of aid trucks returning empty. but hamas officials claims that in the month of april, an average of 163 trucks made it into gaza, nowhere near the 1,000

trucks needed per day, and far below the 3—400 the israelis and the united states have been talking about. secretary blinken acknowledged there are still problems but he insists things are improving. the progress is real, but given the need, given the immense need in gaza, it needs to be accelerated, it needs to be sustained. and as we focus on all the necessary inputs, the number of trucks they are moving, what matters most is the impact. the ceasefire agreement is the first necessary step in getting more aid in. arab governments refuse to engage with the israelis without them prioritizing palestinian concerns first. and, without a durable ceasefire, it becomes much harderfor israels neighbours to engage in the future peacekeeping and reconstruction efforts. but, as became clear today, prime minister netanyahu's plan involves more war.

here's what the israeli president, isaac herzog, said about the country's current priorities. we yearn for the immediate return of the hostages, and that should be the top priority— the hostages, and that should be the top priority of the international community. this should be a unanimous decision of the international community, that freeing — international community, that freeing the hostages i5 international community, that freeing the hostages is of the utmost— freeing the hostages is of the utmost priority. let's speak to dr sultan barakat. he's a professor of public policy at qatar's foundation hamad bin khalifa university. thank you for being with us. i know you're following the mediation and talks very closely. what can you tell us tonight about things stand? i think it would be useful to present what's on the table in general. the first issue is the nature of the cease—fire — israel would like it to be a temporary

cease—fire, after which netanyahu and his government will go in and undertake the operation and rafah with the aim of destroying hamas. whereas the palestinian side is looking for a permanent cease—fire. and the second issue they've been discussing is the nature of the withdrawal that israel will undertake from within gaza. israel is still insisting on keeping some of its forces in order to vet the return of the palestinians from the south to the north. and i think there may be a room for compromise on this with hamas. also, there's a room i think to compromise in relation to the number of prisoners hamas is demanding the israelis release from their prisons, and also the ranks of those prisoners, and potentially also the destination, that they be moved to a third country. and finally, there's the issue of the hostages — they are talking about to start with the

remaining few civilians and the female soldiers to be released as a first step. now the main obstacle i think is the position of netanyahu and the israeli government, that he continues to insist that he will not stop beyond achieving the full objective of his war, and that is to finish hamas. now you cannot negotiate with a side and insist on killing them off and expect them to now accept a temporary cease—fire. and i think this is what is complicating the picture — and he's probably doing it mostly for his own survival, his own government have threatened him if he utters the word "permanent cease—fire". .. threatened him if he utters the word "permanent cease—fire"... qm. threatened him if he utters the word "permanent cease-fire". . ._ "permanent cease-fire"... ok, so from your— "permanent cease-fire"... ok, so from your perspective, _ "permanent cease-fire"... ok, so from your perspective, most - "permanent cease-fire"... ok, so from your perspective, most of. "permanent cease-fire". .. 0k, sol from your perspective, most of the detail could be to fine tune to insurmountable at this moment in time is the duration of the cease—fire test fine—tuned tuned. it's the nature... an end to the

genocide or not? is it a pause after which israel will be free to kill? so far, the americans have disagreed with the plans israel has presented to protect the palestinians. they've worked with agencies to start building a tent city of 40,000 tenths, which they suggest will take about half a million people — but that was vetoed by the united states, and the process has not continued. states, and the process has not continued-— continued. these are the preparations _ continued. these are the preparations for - continued. these are the preparations for the - continued. these are the i preparations for the assault on rafah. just to get a perspective from israel at the moment, if prime minister netanyahu is saying the war continues after this cease—fire and there will be an assault on rafah, from what the doctor is telling us, it sounds like there won't be a deal. it it sounds like there won't be a deal. ., , �* ., ., “ it sounds like there won't be a deal. ., , �* ., ., ,, ., it sounds like there won't be a deal. ., , �* ., . deal. it doesn't look right now that it's very hepeful. _

deal. it doesn't look right now that it's very hopeful, but _ deal. it doesn't look right now that it's very hopeful, but for _ deal. it doesn't look right now that it's very hopeful, but for one i it's very hopeful, but for one thing. — it's very hopeful, but for one thing. you _ it's very hopeful, but for one thing, you have to understand that we've _ thing, you have to understand that we've had — thing, you have to understand that we've had numerous rounds of these negotiations that go up and down and they have _ negotiations that go up and down and they have not worked, following the very first _ they have not worked, following the very first one in late november. but i do very first one in late november. but i do think— very first one in late november. but i do think it's not totally legitimate to portray hamas i5 i do think it's not totally legitimate to portray hamas is a completely passive actor in this. of course _ completely passive actor in this. of course the — completely passive actor in this. of course the israeli government has presented — course the israeli government has presented obstacles, but they've also moved very significantly in its position. _ also moved very significantly in its position, and this is one of netanyahu's biggest failures i5 whoie — netanyahu's biggest failures i5 whole time, to say that the strong military— whole time, to say that the strong military campaign will force hamas to release — military campaign will force hamas to release prisoners. it hasn't worked, — to release prisoners. it hasn't worked, the prisoners have not been released _ worked, the prisoners have not been released and the cost has only gone up released and the cost has only gone up over— released and the cost has only gone up over time released and the cost has only gone up overtime as released and the cost has only gone up over time as far as we know about the terms _ up over time as far as we know about the terms of— up over time as far as we know about the terms of the agreement. in israei— the terms of the agreement. in israet has — the terms of the agreement. in israel has been forced to agree in principie — israel has been forced to agree in principle to much more far—reaching compromises than it made in november. the last couple rounds have ireen— november. the last couple rounds have been rejected by hamas, and i5 have been rejected by hamas, and is negotiating with civilian hostages. so that _ negotiating with civilian hostages. so that has to be part of it as weii~ — so that has to be part of it as weii~ but— so that has to be part of it as well. but really, unless we are inside the _ well. but really, unless we are inside the room, we won't know exactly— inside the room, we won't know exactly who's to blame, and the blame _

exactly who's to blame, and the blame game will be harsh for years to come _ blame game will be harsh for years to come. the fact is, this is a matter— to come. the fact is, this is a matter of— to come. the fact is, this is a matter of anguish because at this moment, — matter of anguish because at this moment, it doesn't look likely. i think— moment, it doesn't look likely. i think that — moment, it doesn't look likely. i think that we don't exactly know what _ think that we don't exactly know what will— think that we don't exactly know what will happen in rafah after this particular— what will happen in rafah after this particular phase of negotiations. it's particular phase of negotiations. it's not — particular phase of negotiations. it's not quite a done deal yet that israei— it'5 not quite a done deal yet that israet witt— it's not quite a done deal yet that israel will undertake this operation, given the very strong resistance — operation, given the very strong resistance of the american government as we discussed. in terms ofthe government as we discussed. in terms of the american _ government as we discussed. in terms of the american government, - government as we discussed. in terms of the american government, joel, i of the american government, joel, secretary antony blinken has held multitudes of meetings in the region this week, and saudi arabia and jordan, and today injerusalem. president biden is working the phones with the emir in qatar and the egyptian president, they are trying everything to get this over the line. the question is, do they have a partner in benjamin netanyahu? have a partner in ben'amin netanyahuvfi have a partner in ben'amin netanyahu? have a partner in ben'amin netan ahu? ~ . . have a partner in ben'amin netan ahu? ~ . �* ., netanyahu? well, what the biden team ist in: to netanyahu? well, what the biden team is trying to do — netanyahu? well, what the biden team is trying to do is — netanyahu? well, what the biden team is trying to do is stick— netanyahu? well, what the biden team is trying to do is stick together - netanyahu? well, what the biden team is trying to do is stick together a - is trying to do is stick together a variety— is trying to do is stick together a variety of— is trying to do is stick together a variety of important _ is trying to do is stick together a variety of important priorities i is trying to do is stick together a i variety of important priorities into an overall— variety of important priorities into an overall package, _ variety of important priorities into an overall package, be _ variety of important priorities into an overall package, be it - an overall package, be it normalisation— an overall package, be it normalisation between. an overall package, be it i normalisation between israel an overall package, be it - normalisation between israel and saudi _ normalisation between israel and saudi arabia, _ normalisation between israel and saudi arabia, a _ normalisation between israel and

saudi arabia, a long—term - normalisation between israel and saudi arabia, a long—term vision| normalisation between israel and i saudi arabia, a long—term vision for a palestinian — saudi arabia, a long—term vision for a palestinian state, _ saudi arabia, a long—term vision for a palestinian state, getting - saudi arabia, a long—term vision for a palestinian state, getting the i a palestinian state, getting the hostages — a palestinian state, getting the hostages out _ a palestinian state, getting the hostages out - _ a palestinian state, getting the hostages out — all— a palestinian state, getting the hostages out — all of— a palestinian state, getting the hostages out — all of it is - hostages out — all of it is contingent— hostages out — all of it is contingent upon- hostages out — all of it i5| contingent upon breaking hostages out — all of it is - contingent upon breaking through this barrier, — contingent upon breaking through this barrier, which _ contingent upon breaking through this barrier, which is _ contingent upon breaking through this barrier, which is the - contingent upon breaking through i this barrier, which is the temporary cease-fire — this barrier, which is the temporary cease-fire in— this barrier, which is the temporary cease—fire in exchange _ this barrier, which is the temporary cease—fire in exchange for - this barrier, which is the temporary. cease—fire in exchange for hostages. i do cease—fire in exchange for hostages. i do think— cease—fire in exchange for hostages. i do think that — cease—fire in exchange for hostages. | do think that with— cease—fire in exchange for hostages. i do think that with prime _ cease—fire in exchange for hostages. i do think that with prime minister. i do think that with prime minister netanyahu. — i do think that with prime minister netanyahu, there's— i do think that with prime minister netanyahu, there's some - i do think that with prime ministerl netanyahu, there's some posturing going _ netanyahu, there's some posturing going on. _ netanyahu, there's some posturing going on. there _ netanyahu, there's some posturing going on. there is— netanyahu, there's some posturing going on, there is some _ netanyahu, there's some posturing going on, there is some politics i netanyahu, there's some posturing going on, there is some politics a5| going on, there is some politics as well invoived — going on, there is some politics as well involved in _ going on, there is some politics as well involved in how _ going on, there is some politics as. well involved in how netanyahu talks about _ well involved in how netanyahu talks about rafah — well involved in how netanyahu talks about rafah domestically _ well involved in how netanyahu talks about rafah domestically inside i about rafah domestically inside israei~ — about rafah domestically inside israei~ i— about rafah domestically inside israel. i think— about rafah domestically inside israel. i think that _ about rafah domestically inside israel. i think that they - about rafah domestically inside israel. i think that they are i israel. i think that they are incredibly— israel. i think that they are incredibly close, _ israel. i think that they are incredibly close, the - israel. i think that they are incredibly close, the so i israel. i think that they are i incredibly close, the so that's israel. i think that they are - incredibly close, the so that's why you see _ incredibly close, the so that's why you see secretary _ incredibly close, the so that's why you see secretary blinken - incredibly close, the so that's why you see secretary blinken putting| you see secretary blinken putting out ianguage _ you see secretary blinken putting out language saying _ you see secretary blinken putting out language saying it's— you see secretary blinken putting out language saying it's an - out language saying it's an extremely— out language saying it's an extremely generous- out language saying it's an extremely generous offer. out language saying it's an i extremely generous offer by out language saying it's an - extremely generous offer by israel and hamas— extremely generous offer by israel and hamas should _ extremely generous offer by israel and hamas should take _ extremely generous offer by israel and hamas should take it. - extremely generous offer by israel and hamas should take it. the i extremely generous offer by israel| and hamas should take it. the real paradox— and hamas should take it. the real paradox here — and hamas should take it. the real paradox here is _ and hamas should take it. the real paradox here is that _ and hamas should take it. the real paradox here is that hamas, - and hamas should take it. the real paradox here is that hamas, in i and hamas should take it. the real paradox here is that hamas, in a i paradox here is that hamas, in a very— paradox here is that hamas, in a very clear— paradox here is that hamas, in a very clear way, _ paradox here is that hamas, in a very clear way, is _ paradox here is that hamas, in a very clear way, is fearful - paradox here is that hamas, in a very clear way, is fearful at i paradox here is that hamas, in a very clear way, is fearful at the i very clear way, is fearful at the leadership— very clear way, is fearful at the leadership level— very clear way, is fearful at the leadership level for— very clear way, is fearful at the leadership level for its - very clear way, is fearful at the | leadership level for its survival. just on — leadership level for its survival. just on that— leadership level for its survival. just on that point, _ leadership level for its survival. just on that point, that's - leadership level for its survival. just on that point, that's a i leadership level for its survival. | just on that point, that's a really good point which i wanted to put together to the doctor — do you think there is pressure on hamas within gaza? because people have been through an awful lot over seven months, do they need a dealjust as much as mr netanyahu does for his

political audience at home?- political audience at home? clearly --eole political audience at home? clearly peeple need _ political audience at home? clearly peeple need a _ political audience at home? clearly people need a break— political audience at home? clearly people need a break and _ political audience at home? clearly people need a break and they i political audience at home? clearlyj people need a break and they need political audience at home? clearly l people need a break and they need a cease—fire, but they are being held hostage by both sides. netanyahu keeps threatening that if the deal is not accepted by hamas, he will drive into rafah and not care. and all the compromises that were mentioned earlier have so far been in the amount he's allowing into gaza. he hasn't really made any major compromise on the main issue — the main issue is the war and what's the main issue is the war and what's the future of gaza, the occupation. none of these issues have really been addressed, he's making compromises that will take him out as far as the icj is concerned in the genocide accusation. irate as far as the icj is concerned in the genocide accusation. we have to leave it there. _ the genocide accusation. we have to leave it there, i'm _ the genocide accusation. we have to leave it there, i'm out _ the genocide accusation. we have to leave it there, i'm out of _ the genocide accusation. we have to leave it there, i'm out of time, i leave it there, i'm out of time, but thank you for coming on the programme tonight, we will certainly come back to it, plenty of sugar in the next 24—48 hours. around the world and across

the uk, this is bbc news. a man has been charged in the last hour with murder after a series of stabbings on tuesday that left a teenage boy dead. the 14—year—old boy that was killed has been remembered as a positive and gentle character by his school. four other people were injured in the attack, including two police officers. a 17—year—old boy has been residents suspension of attempted murder in sheffield in northern england today. today, children at the burly academy were found hiding under tables with the school under lockdown. the co—op live arena has been postponed for a third time —— the opening. the venue said it was due to a technical issue and ask fans queuing outside to leave. the manager resigned last

week following the delays to the opening and backlash over comments he had made about some smaller live music venues being poorly run. what would a second trump term look like? there are reports from the trump campaign they are planning loyalty tests for staffers, and are planning new policies that will vastly expand his presidential powers. asked in one interview whether he intends to be a dictator, he joked that maybe he would, just for a day, "i think a lot of people would like that" he added. today, the news website axios pulled together just a few of the things he has pledged to do from interviews the former president has done with time magazine. like it or loath it, here are some of those policies. he has pledged that every one of the people convicted of participating in the january 6th attacks on the us capitol would "probably" be pardoned. and, depending on the situation, he would fire a us attorney who didn't prosecute someone on his orders. abortion — on whether states should monitor women's pregnancies, so they know if they've had an abortion that violates a ban.

that, he said, should be up to the individual states. he is planning the "largest deportation in american history." "we have no choice," he said, and yes, he would use the military "because this is an invasion of our country". he would consider using the national guard if the police fail to stop a protest — even though he was late to call them on january 6th. and there is a plan to use schedule f to fire hundreds of civil servants who might work against the administration, and who should no longer be protected. america has a system of checks and balances, do you think they would hold under a second trump term? i hold under a second trump term? i don't think so, christian, this is the real existential question of the moment for the united states— which as we survived one term of trump, largely because we had a civil service intact, a rule of law, a

court system that held him in check, and frankly his own aides that also were very sceptical of his most extreme ideas, like the ones you just highlighted. but now, donald trump has learned his lesson, so to speak, and he's organising with the heritage foundation what they call project 2025, it's a redux of the contract on america from newt gingrich four times — basically how to destroy the american government from within, how to impose controls on the judiciary and go after his political opponents, the list goes on of a playbook of a dictator, and that's where he wants to take this. he's learned his lessons from the first term and we've seen many countries who have leaders who, the first time around, maybe they collected over the crew didn't succeed, so they came back a second time and did it in a more effective way, and that's a big fear right now that he's learned his lessons and once a second bite. it’s that he's learned his lessons and once a second bite.— once a second bite. it's a really interesting _ once a second bite. it's a really interesting read, _ once a second bite. it's a really interesting read, this _ once a second bite. it's a really interesting read, this - - once a second bite. it's a really i interesting read, this - there are interesting read, this — there are some people who think our

democracies are not working, that they failed to protect people, that they've failed to protect our borders and provide health, housing and education. they think it requires a firm hand and someone to get a grip of it, and when you look across europe right now, and we talked about it last night, the hard right is resurgent in many countries. so what is it that the left is failing to do? i countries. so what is it that the left is failing to do?— left is failing to do? i don't think i can left is failing to do? i don't think i can answer— left is failing to do? i don't think i can answer that _ left is failing to do? i don't think i can answer that question i left is failing to do? i don't think i can answer that question in i left is failing to do? i don't think| i can answer that question in one perfect _ i can answer that question in one perfect advice that'll change it all, perfect advice that'll change it all. but — perfect advice that'll change it all. but i — perfect advice that'll change it all, but i would tell you — let me io all, but i would tell you — let me go back— all, but i would tell you — let me go back to — all, but i would tell you — let me go back to the point about people who think— go back to the point about people who think their need to be tougher poiicies _ who think their need to be tougher policies and debts policies and a stronger— policies and debts policies and a stronger hand. this is notjust 5tronger hand. this is notjust about— stronger hand. this is notjust about the _ stronger hand. this is notjust about the policies being implement it, about the policies being implement it. but— about the policies being implement it. but the — about the policies being implement it, but the way of thinking and decision—making. i think the real tip-off— decision—making. i think the real tip-off to— decision—making. i think the real tip—off to what was so disturbing about— tip—off to what was so disturbing about that long interview trump gave the time _ about that long interview trump gave the time magazine is he had to resort— the time magazine is he had to resort to — the time magazine is he had to resort to simply questioning the truth _ resort to simply questioning the truth in — resort to simply questioning the truth in fact, an empirical reaiities _ truth in fact, an empirical realities. a5 complicated as that concept — realities. a5 complicated as that concept is, _ realities. a5 complicated as that concept is, for example when he was confronted _ concept is, for example when he was confronted about the fact that

there's— confronted about the fact that there's been a drop in crime, he simply— there's been a drop in crime, he simply called it fake news — that's as big _ simply called it fake news — that's as big tactic, so maybe the big mistake — as big tactic, so maybe the big mistake of the left is simply the hope. _ mistake of the left is simply the hope. and — mistake of the left is simply the hope, and legitimate presumption that over— hope, and legitimate presumption that over the history of politics, it's based — that over the history of politics, it's based on people looking at what's — it's based on people looking at what's happening in the world and arguing _ what's happening in the world and arguing out the best ways to deal with it _ arguing out the best ways to deal with it. but trump isn't playing that game, trump i5 with it. but trump isn't playing that game, trump is saying, "i'll create _ that game, trump is saying, "i'll create a — that game, trump is saying, "i'll create a reality out of fiction, out of a series — create a reality out of fiction, out of a series of populist playbook themes," — of a series of populist playbook themes," which are all over that article _ themes," which are all over that article precisely on the question of how to _ article precisely on the question of how to deal withjanuary article precisely on the question of how to deal with january 6th, people who were _ how to deal with january 6th, people who were tried and convicted, he said it _ who were tried and convicted, he said it was — who were tried and convicted, he said it was selective enforcement, those _ said it was selective enforcement, those people were convicted our political — those people were convicted our political prisoners. he rolls out this realty— political prisoners. he rolls out this really copy case language we see from — this really copy case language we see from other countries and dismisses every factual piece of data he — dismisses every factual piece of data he doesn't like, or simply ciaims — data he doesn't like, or simply claims he _ data he doesn't like, or simply claims he doesn't know about it when confronted _ claims he doesn't know about it when confronted with policies republicans are advancing such as conception of birth. _ are advancing such as conception of birth, he _ are advancing such as conception of birth, he says he doesn't know what

that is _ birth, he says he doesn't know what that is it's— birth, he says he doesn't know what that is. it's about creating a completely different reality which ventures — completely different reality which ventures into conspiracy theories. so maybe — ventures into conspiracy theories. so maybe the left, progressives, whatever— so maybe the left, progressives, whatever you want to call it — it's not just _ whatever you want to call it — it's notjust them, it's whatever you want to call it — it's not just them, it's anybody, inciuding _ not just them, it's anybody, including moderate republicans or traditional conservatives who believe — traditional conservatives who believe that governance and policy should _ believe that governance and policy should be — believe that governance and policy should be based on the world as it is to the _ should be based on the world as it is to the best of your abilities as you understand and come up solutions, not create fictional worid — solutions, not create fictional world. .. .. . solutions, not create fictional world. ., ., , ., , solutions, not create fictional world. . . , ., . . solutions, not create fictional world. . , ., ., world. that was a very governance of answer, world. that was a very governance of answer. 90 — world. that was a very governance of answer, go ahead, _ world. that was a very governance of answer, go ahead, joel, _ world. that was a very governance of answer, go ahead, joel, make sure l answer, go ahead, joel, make sure the democrats do that! —— a very copperheads of answer. we will take a short break, we'll be back on the other side of it and talk about abortion — may be donald trump has a view on that, let's see. hello there. we're seeing a change across southern parts of the uk. eventually, some heavy rain and thunderstorms moving in here. we also got overnight some more mist and fog, low cloud developing more widely. and for some areas of scotland in particular, it was a struggle to clear that all day. in marked contrast, in norfolk here,

we've seen temperatures over 20 degrees in the sunshine. but at the same time, we've also seen this cloud moving up from france. and it's that that's bringing some rain into parts of england and wales this evening. that'll push up towards northern ireland as well before retreating back towards the south—west. and as that happens, we'll see some heavier rain later in the night and more of that mist and fog and low cloud pushing further inland further north. temperatures, well, typically 8 or 9 degrees, so pretty mild overnight, but getting wet and quite stormy potentially across southern parts of england and wales by the early hours, some heavy rain, thunder, lightning and some large hail and gusty winds. maybe some disruption. the worst of it may push away, but it could stay wet for much of the day in south—west england and south wales. and we may well find some further heavy bursts of rain developing in other southern areas, drifting later into the midlands and north wales. further north, it's dry, increasing amounts of sunshine away from these coastal areas in south—east scotland and north—east england, where there's going to be

a cold wind blowing. temperatures not too high in the south—west, where it stays wet, but it'll be a warmer day for northern ireland, warming the sunshine for western scotland and again for the north—west of england. now, there is warmer air coming ourway from the continent at the moment. it's coming over the cold seas of the north sea, which is why we're seeing that mist and low cloud. that's to the north of that weather front, and that's bringing the rain on friday and it's moving northward. so we've got a bit more rain more widely for england and wales. some bursts of rain likely across southern scotland, perhaps northern ireland. northern scotland seeing some sunshine and later in southern—most parts of england. temperatures here only around 13—14 celsius. and on the whole, temperatures are going to be lower because of the cloud and rain, but we still could make 20 celsius in western scotland for one more day. but even here, the weather will change on saturday, as the cloud and what's left of the rain pushes into scotland and northern ireland. more cloud for northern england. but to the south, the weekend starts on a brighter note and a dry note with some sunshine. it'll feel warm in the sunshine

and temperatures 16—17 celsius, but those temperatures dropping in scotland.